45: How to Make a Business Partnership Work with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy
Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy are both Licensed Marriage and Family Therapists in the Los Angeles area and co-hosts of The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide Podcast. They are also the creators of the Therapy Reimagined Conference - bringing together #moderntherapists to talk about how to build practices that welcome diversity, integrate technology and business systems, engage in advocacy for our profession, and how to grow yourself as a clinician by incorporating deliberate practice and self-care. They have both created successful private practices and are actively involved in the profession in many ways. Curt and Katie provide training and consultation to therapists who are entering the profession, starting and growing a therapy practice, and who are ready to step into leadership, all while navigating #moderntherapistproblems. share how they talk about money as a team, leading with values, where they agree on spending money in their businesses and getting comfortable with imperfection.
On this Mind Money Balance podcast episode, they share how they talk about money as a team, leading with values, where they agree on spending money in their businesses and getting comfortable with imperfection.
Takeaways from talking to Curt and Katie:
Know Your Money Boundaries For Curt and Katie, this came down to a simple mantra, “If you don’t have money, don’t spend it.” In the increasingly loud online world, there’s so much noise calling “spending money” “investments.” Not all expenses are investments, and small business owners need to assess their spending accordingly!
Face the Fear of Talking Money Head-On Today’s podcast guests talk about the worst-case-scenario of talking money: awkwardness and share how they cope with this uncomfortable topic.
Intentions > Perfection Setting intentions doens’t mean you’ll perfectly execute on said intentions. Both guests share how they’ve made past mistakes, what they’ve learned from them, and the importance of recalibrating and regrouping when intentions don’t go according to plan.
Learn more about Curt. Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist with a Master’s degree in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Marriage & Family Therapy from Pepperdine University and a Master’s degree in Criminal Justice with an emphasis in Behavior Analysis from Saint Joseph’s University. Curt has a private practice with offices in Los Angeles and Encino, where he works with clients who have experienced trauma and with high-achieving teens and adults. He is a professor at Pepperdine University and California State University Northridge and he serves on the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists (CAMFT) Ethics Committee. Previously, Curt has served on the CAMFT Board of Directors and as a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. You can follow him on Instagram @curtwidhalmtherapy.
More about Katie: Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, with a Master’s degree in Clinical Psychology from California State University, Fullerton, and a Bachelor’s Degree in Psychology and Theater from Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. Katie has always loved leadership and began stepping into management positions soon after gaining her license in 2005. Katie’s experience spans many leadership and management roles in the mental health field: program coordinator, director, clinical supervisor, hiring manager, recruiter, and currently as Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. Now in business for herself, Katie provides therapy, consultation, or business strategy to support leaders, visionaries, and helping professionals in pursuing their mission to help others. You can find her on Instagram @katievernoy